User talk:Cebr1979

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the Jimmy Wherever page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Crimsoncrusader (Talk) 00:12, February 11, 2013

Hello Cebr1979, I just wanted to let you know we discontinued using the Characters category for pages. We only use it for categories. Thanks Crimsoncrusader (talk) 06:14, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Green Ghost (Text) Isn't an Actual Ghost
The Ghost Characters is for true ghosts such as Sergeant Spook or Wraith. Ghost Themed Characters is the category for characters whose name, powers, or costume fit in a ghostly motiff, but are not true ghosts like Green Ghost (Text) or Ghost (Lev Gleason). Crimsoncrusader (talk) 20:18, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

International Copyright Law Issues
First off I wanted to thank you, Cebr1979, for all your hard work and contributions, but can I ask you to hold off on adding anymore international comic book characters published after 1923 or whose creators aren't anonymous. The laws in Canada, the U.K., Mexico, and Australia are all based on the life of the author plus 50 or 70 years after their death with the length depending on the country. Here's a list of countries' copyright lengths.

If the creator is unknown such as in the case of Six-Gun Gorilla, then the term of copyright last from the date of publication plus 50/70 years. Also works in Canada as employees for their employers would also fall under this, but their is an exception for work done by freelancers since they aren't technically employees, the copyright of their term is still life plus 50/70 years.

I know that digitalcomicsmuseum.com and comicbookplus.com have many international comics as part of their public domain collections, but I don't know if their necessarily right about the legal status in this case. I made the same mistake early on and added several international characters but after examining the laws of each country and asking about it on the forums no one can provide a solid explanation of why these character's copyright had expired. If you can provide me with solid documentation on why these characters are public domain let me know and I'll gladly restore their pages to the wikia.

Basically getting into international copyright laws is complicated and I would feel more comfortable if we would do more research before we go and add them to the wikia. Thanks Crimsoncrusader (talk) 06:25, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Okay
Ya, okay, that's all fine and good. I live in Canada and work for a Canadian publisher so I can definitely shed some light on the subject for you. In the meantime, is it possible to get the deleted content back so I can upload it to the Canadian Comic Book Database Wiki (which I had planned on doing this morning?

Cebr, I just want to second Crimsoncrusader's appreciation for all the work you've done on the wiki. If you have some insight into Canadian copyright law, I would love to be better educated on it. I have been a prolific contributor to the wiki myself, but I have stayed away from all characters originally published by Canadian companies for precisely the reasons that Crimsoncrusader articulated. While I feel like I have a pretty solid understanding of which works published in the US are public domain, I am very confused about Canadian works. If you could clear it up for me, I would be the first to help you in getting every last obscure Canadian character ever published onto the site. Freeuniverse (talk) 00:27, May 18, 2013 (UTC)Freeuniverse

Yes I will get all the information for you so you can add them to the  Canadian Comic Book Database Wiki and I look foward to learning more about Canadian copyright law. Thanks for being understanding. Crimsoncrusader (talk) 05:34, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hi guys!
My meetings from yesterday ended up with me having more work for today and I couldn't get back to this until now.

That wikipedia link isn't correct when dealing with a medium like comics (or magazines, which is the field I work in).

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-42/section-13-20121107.html The Canadian website on copyright states: (3) Where the author of a work was in the employment of some other person under a contract of service or apprenticeship and the work was made in the course of his employment by that person, the person by whom the author was employed shall, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the copyright, but where the work is an article or other contribution to a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical, there shall, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, be deemed to be reserved to the author a right to restrain the publication of the work, otherwise than as part of a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical.

Basically, the comics company in question would legally own the work, not the author. This is different in the cae of, say, a novel because the author of said novel is never hired by the publishing company, they're contracted. Golden Age comics authors were employed by the publisher.

This is why Moonstone Books (an American publisher) was able to release Johnny Canuck and the Northern Guard featuring Johnny Canuck, Ghost Woman, Trick Merlin, Purple Rider, Commander Steel, and others. The only character that needed renaming was Nelvana because of her name (but not the character herself) being trademarked by Nelvana Animations.

When a publisher in Canada owns the rights to a work, that work becomes public domain 50 years after that publisher folds. With the Golden Age Comics companies all folding in the 50's, those works (and characters) would have become public domain within the last 10 years (give or take).

I guess it could be argued that the author's could have made an agreement to the contrary but, they also could have been on Mars. In any case, whether the author did or didn't make an agreement to the contrary, it would be the author's responsibility to let the world know and, as far I as I know, none ever have.Cebr1979 (talk) 01:54, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I was gossipping with a co-worker last night about this and she brought up that Golden Age character Mr. Monster who had been revived in the 80's. Here's the wikipedia page to Michael T. Gilbert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Gilbert), who also states that because the publisher had long since been out of print (also with no mention of the creator being alive or dead), the character is public domain.Cebr1979 (talk) 18:48, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ok looks good man. Thank you for educating us on the Canadian law. I'll restore all of the pages asap and I trust you with adding other Canadian characters in the future. I still want users other than you, myself, the other admins, and Freeuniverse to check with an admin before adding international characters, but I trust you guys having good understanding of the law. B y the way do you have any information about the laws in the UK or Mexico? Crimsoncrusader (talk) 03:39, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for bringing those pages back! As for the UK, I don't know anything about their copyright laws. Mexico, however, I did look up once... I've been having trouble finding it again, though. I remember it was in Spanish and I had to use google translator.

P.S. That Brushfox page I made can be deleted, btw. After thinking about it, I really don't think it belongs on a "super heroes" page. I'll move it to the funnies.

Thanks, again! ;-)

Your welcome man. I'm glad everything worked out for everyone. I'm looking forward to working with some of these Canadian characters in the future. As for Brushfox, yeah lets move him to the funnies wikia. I'll keep doing research on the British and Mexican laws maybe someday we'll be able to add comic characters from those countries as well. Crimsoncrusader (talk) 04:06, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

OCAL SVGs instead of rastered images
If you're going to upload stuff from the Open Clip Art Library, you probably want to consider uploading the SVG file instead of a rasterized image (png, gif, etc).

Wikia should automatically convert it to various sizes and the source-file will be in the wiki. CodeAndReload (talk) 04:24, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm only seeing this now. I uploaded jpeg's (hence the .jpg at the end of the image) and it worked just fine. Do you ever upload or contribute yourself or do you just follow others around nagging?Cebr1979 (talk) 02:18, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Were both adults and that's in the past, albeit very recent past. Time to focus on now. There is still science to be done, I'll volunteer to upload those images and Thunder Robo's. Is kablam the only artist you've done so far or are there more?

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at? I just went to ThunderRobo's page and all of those open source clip-art characters pages and the photos just work just fine. What exactly are you volunteering to upload for me?Cebr1979 (talk) 02:30, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

ThunderRobo has an SVG file that can be used, I was the one that created the vector derivative, its in the FreeUniverse thread. The one on the page, is one I made. It is much easier to manage the colors in the SVG version. As for what I'm volunteering, is all of Kablam's SVG files that have pages on the Wik and Thunder Robo's SVG filei. CodeAndReload (talk) 02:44, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Have you ever heard the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?" Are you saying the jpeg files don't work and you can't see them from your computer?Cebr1979 (talk) 02:54, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for adding Efeu and The Pink Pineapple to this site. I never expected any of my chracters to make it onto any kind of wiki. I don't know how to edit pages here (I'm not that tech savvy). But, to help out, I've added more info to Efeu's profile on DA. I'll add more for The Pink Pineapple too, when I get a chance. Take care :)

108.162.171.226 04:17, May 27, 2013 (UTC)David Eveleigh

Hey, no prob! They're great characters! What is the address for the site you'll be adding info on? I'll check it out at work tomorrow. Do you have any other characters that are open-sourced?Cebr1979 (talk) 04:30, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Here is Efeu's added info http://ivy7om.deviantart.com/art/Efeu-Profile-368787047 and I'll be adding more for The Pink Pineapple here http://ivy7om.deviantart.com/art/The-Pink-Pineapple-343601180 when I get a chance :) I don't have any others yet. But who knows, I come up with new ideas for characters in All hallows Eve every day of the week.

David Eveleigh 108.162.171.226 05:07, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I've updated the Efeu page. Thanks for the mention on your DA page too!Cebr1979 (talk) 16:38, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! I updated the Pink Pineapple page last night as well. Cebr1979 (talk) 02:13, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Please review the new template
Please look at the sample at http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/User:CodeAndReload/CC-BY-NC-ND. I hope it is something you can get behind. CodeAndReload (talk) 01:51, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

What's new about it? It's a clear copy and paste of what I've already written in the notes section of each and every one of these characters.Cebr1979 (talk) 02:06, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

That was a showcase of what the template can do. It changes depending which license is passed into it, and I hope it would be a tool to use so you don't have to copy and paste the same thing over and over again, and be able to make retroactive changes in a simple template than make changes to every character in a category.

It should also catch characters that aren't supposed to be using the template. I'm trying to save you some work. Also please don't mark pages in my userspace that I use for testing as a canidate for testing, it is intended to be used for my sandbox. CodeAndReload (talk) 02:13, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks for thinking of me and all but, just like open-source characters (and every other character on this site)... they have a notes section for a reason. We live in a world of zero attention spans! No one is ever going to want to click here and click there in order to find out how a character works. It's best for everyone involved (present and future) if it's all right there available one on page. No clicking needed!Cebr1979 (talk) 02:28, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

The ability to make retro-active changes do make it worth it, even if I'm the only one using the template. The template is a line of wikia markup, it isn't something you link to if that is what is confusing. All you need to do is type:.

As of right now there are only, 43 articles in the creative commons category, and I don't mind editing those pages to include the template, especially its decided that the wording has to change in all of 43 of the characters at once.

Those characters rarely come into the wiki compared to DCM etc. and I don't mind making the change.

CodeAndReload (talk) 02:44, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

I personally don't see any point and I'm not sure why you're so concerned. I took the time to make those profiles one by one... Should anything change I will take the time to edit them one by one.Cebr1979 (talk) 02:53, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again :)

David Eveleigh 108.162.171.226 06:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, not sure who this is, but there are a few characters I've created that aren't in the creative commons that are listed here as if they are. Feel free to tweet me at @incogvito or email me at vito@incogvito.com for the list. Thank you.

VitoDelsante (talk) 19:17, June 3, 2013 (UTC)VitoDelsante

I messaged you on facebook.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:37, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Your images
Which character creator program/game do you use? Your pics are awesome.

http://cpbherofactory.com/Cebr1979 (talk) 08:06, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

So, I'd love to believe that all of these Marvel characters are actually public domain, but where are you getting your information on their renewals? You are listing issues of Namor, Captain America and a lot of other stuff from before 1949 as public domain. I've never heard anyone claim that Timely/Marvel did not renew their golden age books properly (with Marvel Mystery Comics #1 being the oddball exception). In fact, I'd heard that Marvel had been very meticulous about maintaining their copyrights. Can you share your source? 151.151.109.8 18:27, June 25, 2013 (UTC)Freeuniverse

Ya, check CrimsonCrusaders talk page under the heading titled "Namor."Cebr1979 (talk) 18:29, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Connected companies
The way publisher pages should be connected to each other in this wiki is a bit confusing. If you intend to only have connections between companies that share a financial history, then you need to revise a lot of the links in this wiki.

Here are a few examples: Ifrippe (talk) 09:07, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Dark Horse didn’t buy Dell Comics per se; they bought some characters (the same three that started the Valiant Universe).
 * Fiction House bought Hawks of the See from Quality Comics, which should warrant the same connection as Dell Comics and Dark Horse.
 * Quality Comics bought the Phantom Lady from the Fox Feature Syndicate. Charlton bought the Blue Beetle (with supporting characters) from the same company. During Fox Feature Syndicate’s first financial crisis, Holyoke published some of the Fox Feature Syndicate’s characters. None of these connections are found in the wiki, despite them all being as strong as the one between Dark Horse and Dell Comics.
 * Quality Comics bought the Clock from Centaur, without a connection akin to the one between Dark Horse and Dell Comics given.
 * Gold Key is listed as a sub-page to Dell Comics, despite the fact that Dell Comics used (and returned) Gold Key’s characters. According to some pages, Dell Comics even gave a few of its titles to Gold Key when Dell Comics closed. If there should be a connection between the two companies, shouldn’t Dell Comics be a sub-page to Gold Key?
 * The Terra Obscura character page doesn’t qualify as a Nedor characters’ page, despite the fact that all characters come from Nedor. The same can be said about the connection between Malibu’s protectors page and Centaur.

In the text above, I mean the connection between Dark Horse and Gold Key, not Dell Comics.

There is no connection at all between Dark Horse and Valiant; unless you count using the same Gold Key characters. Valiant Entertainment owns the Valiant characters.

Ifrippe (talk) 09:14, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about? Dell Comics and Dark Horse are not connected (nor have they ever been)? Quality and Centaur are not connected (nor have they they ever been)? I already told you I moved the Gold Key to Dreamworks after you showed that the latter bought the former. Terra Obscura is published under Moore's America's Best Comics imprint through Wildstorm Comics, which is owned by DC Comics. It is not (nor has it ever been) owned by Nedor. Malibu is owned by Marvel, not Centaur.Cebr1979 (talk) 16:42, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Wildfire
Hi

Just curious for the reasoning behind removing the images from this entry? The fire lord was a part of the origin, etc. Roygbiv666 (talk) 03:34, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... That wasn't intentional, I originally went to move them from right to left, not delete them all together. Sorry about that, I'll fix it in a minute when I'm at my other computer.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:42, August 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks.

Roygbiv666 (talk) 02:34, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brazilian characters
Thanks for the assistance on the characters that I've included, I'm Brazilian and I thought I could have a few more heroes of the country. I thought Peri and others could be placed as Native Americans. Hyju (talk) 11:08, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have doubts on which image to use.Hyju (talk) 01:43, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * If it comes from one of their appearances that are PD, it's fine. :-) Cebr1979 (talk) 01:45, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lampião, Peri, I-Juca-Pirama and others that I'm creating comics appear in Brazilian, I will add the link from "Guia dos Quadrinhos", Brazilian database about comics. Hyju (talk) 01:13, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Science fiction characters
some novels Stanley G. Weinbaum and E. E. Doc Smith are in the public domain. Hyju (talk) 01:53, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

If it's from a novel that doesn't have illustrations, I've been adding the novel cover. It may not be the best, as far as a character bio goes, but I think it works as a last resort. Cebr1979 (talk) 01:56, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Images
I did not know which to choose, in the case of I-Juca Pirama, there was a picture.Hyju (talk) 18:55, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I know but, it was just a picture of a big question mark so I thought it best to find of the actual character. I love reading about local characters from other countries.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:15, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanks for the addition of the extra catagories in my entries, and the helpful advice on forming a group page. My first time submitting (although have loved this page for a while) and will make mental notes going forward.

Thundermeister (talk) 23:42, August 20, 2013 (UTC) J.A.(Jim) Murray

Morning,

Thanks for the heads up on the verbiage. I'm new to this, and was not paying attention to my entries, and thought reversed was a spelling mistake, and changed it to reserved. I'll pay more attention in the future.

Thundermeister (talk) 10:53, August 21, 2013 (UTC) J.A.(Jim) Murray

Hello,

Any help with verbiage would be greatly appreciated. I have replaced Open Source with Public Domain. Is that sufficient?

Thanks!

Thundermeister (talk) 02:49, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Perfect! "Task Force North" is a great name, btw! :-) Cebr1979 (talk) 02:52, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the heads up on the links!

24.116.83.227 02:04, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Image category tags
Regarding your category deletions of October 16, 2013‎:

Crimson crusader has stated here that there is no rule against attaching categories to image files. In light of this development, I am going to re-apply the category tags to the files in question.

If you have objections to the categorizing of images, or believe there was some kind of error involved, you should start a discussion on the forum, so that all interested parties may present their views. In the meantime, please do not delete category tags until the administrators have made a final decision on the matter.

With respect, SimonKirby (talk) 11:15, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Dear Cebr1979
I have replied to your comments on CrimsonCrusader's and Madmikeyd's talk pages. If interested, you may read the responses here and here.

Just posting this update as a courtesy. Cheers, SimonKirby (talk) 00:37, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Dear SimonKirby, they've been read and (since I've already responded to you and you get notifications of new messages just like the rest of us) you already knew that before you even started typing to me here. Thanks for being so "courteous." LolCebr1979 (talk) 00:40, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Dell's Lobo
Hi, sorry to eavesdrop and butt in on this topic from Crimsoncrusader's talk page, but ... have you tried contacting the guy who put up scans of Lobo #1 and Lobo #2 to maybe scan the indicia page, or confirm one doesn't exist? #2 has an indicia that says copyright 1966 Dell. Roygbiv666 (talk) 22:43, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

That is a good idea! I'll do that now, thanks!Cebr1979 (talk) 22:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for writing that byline on the category "Disembodied Body Part Characters"; I totally forgot. http://flameape.org/tag/public-domain-superhero/ 03:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)flameape

RE: Fawcett horror comics article
The matter was discussed here, and Crimson Crusader (amongst others) agreed that we should have articles providing details on "comics companies whose work are in the public domain" (direct quote BTW). While the page deals specifically with Fawcett's horror line, it still documents certain aspects of the company's PD output and supplies information on relevant dates, titles, artists and so forth. Please do not blank the article again; as stated in an earlier correspondence, if you object to its existence in the mainspace, either consult with the administration or start a discussion on the Forum. Cheers, SimonKirby (talk) 04:46, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

You're right, that's exactly where it was! Does it not say, "No to the resources individual articles?" Cebr1979 (talk) 19:37, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

I replied on CC's talk page. Or should I respond in 1700 different places as that seems to be your form of communication? Please let me know (but only here: I have no interest in playing this game of "wikia hide and go sake" of which you seem to be so fond. hahahaha.Cebr1979 (talk) 06:06, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dooplication Production
I totally agree with your opinion about Dooplication Productions, but I am not really sure why you write this to me. I did not add the note (I wrote about the "anecdote" regarding the Spirit). If you look at the previous edition of the page, you see that the note you refer to has been there for quite some time. You also claim that I have added that information before, but if you follow the edit history backwards you see that your claim is untrue. If the information has been added before, and been erased along the way, then I guess this might be a glitch in wikia's database.

Homem-Grilo
he talks about it in this text:Homem-Grilo Livre para uso Comercial (Homem-Grilo, Free for Commercial Use). Hyju (talk) 15:43, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

I found it after, thank you very much!Cebr1979 (talk) 20:34, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Hyju! JoeFrankenstein and I are trying to figure something out about Robito from the Homem-Grilo comic. Do you know if his name has one T or two? The website spells it with one T so that's how I did it when I created his bio page here but, JoeFrankenstein has seen the comic (not sure what issue or how many of them, never thought to ask about that till now... oops) and say's there should be two (and, indeed, this scan does show two. If the website wasn't owned by the comics' creator, I wouldn't doubt the image but, since both were done by him, I'm wondering if you have any extra info about it? Thanks in advance!Cebr1979 (talk) 00:48, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * both spellings are used, Robito:Tira 039 – Como os Super-Heróis Brasileiros Sobrevivem VI and Um Novo Poder, Robitto:Tira 007 – Para o Alto e Avante!.Hyju (talk) 00:38, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Clutch Cargo/Space Angel
was a comic to promote the show, published in Jack & Jill magazine. Hyju (talk) 23:47, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Adding categories for modularity
I saw your rather rude comment about me adding too many new categories. I take it that you didn't mean to be rude, but consider how you write your comments before you publish them in the future.

Traditionally character pages are added manually one by one to each category. This is time consuming and it is very common to see that some characters from a source have been added, but not other from the same source.

Take Robin Hood as an example, the vast majority of the major publishers have just him on one occasion. Unless he is used very briefly (like in the Shrek movie), the entire Robin Hood mythos is considered a part of the story.

By creating a category for "Robin Hood characters" you can add the entire mythos directly. This also makes the publisher’s main page less cluttered. For the few occasions when you only want to add one or two characters from a source you are always free to use the traditional approach.

Assuming that you want to use this modular approach there are some cases where you want to add parts of the group – but not the entire group – then the group could be divided into sub-groups.

An example of such cases would be the first Oz book and the first Wonderland book. In both cases are they a part of the bigger “mythos,” but they differ from the rest of their mythos in that they often are the only part of the bigger mythos that receive a dedicated comic.

Outside this wiki, using categories to add a modular approach is a very common practice. I urge you to consider allowing it here too.

Best regards --Ifrippe (talk) 17:30, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ifrippe I think most of the categories you added were fine, but some needed a little tweaking. In some case the description was too long, others the category already existed under another name, or the categories attached to the new category were unnecessary. I'm going to help modify the categories to better fit the format of this wikia and restore some of the ones I removed that I believe will work after rethinking the situation.

I also want to say I think it is OK to have a creator page and a category for the characters who appeared in a individual work by the author as many have written multiple stories. For example, Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote Tarzan and John Carter as well Sir Conan Arthur Doyle wrote Sherlock and Professor Challenger books. Crimsoncrusader (talk) 03:24, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Illuso
No worries - kinda disappointing that he's just another turban/tuxedo magician, though. I was as excited to find the second costumed TNT Todd apearance - he also has telescopic vision! Cool.

Roygbiv666 (talk) 11:25, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Now if only someone could find a Dunky Duck photo (aka: Cosmo Cat's sidekick)!

I'd be in Heaven! ;-)Cebr1979 (talk) 00:59, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Nelvana/Corus
Hi

Did you ever get a response from your questions regarding Nelvana's copyright status from Corus/Nelvana?

Roygbiv666 (talk) 23:21, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Not from Corus, no, but I did get a response from those girls that are starting up the new Nelvana comic and their supposed "research" into copyright status is a complete farce! Let me find what they said. Hold on.Cebr1979 (talk) 21:23, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

"If there have been no legal repercussions from Nelvana Animation in regards to the unathorized reprinting of their work, then it's due to leniency or unawareness on Nelvana's part. I believe they own the copyright to the original, but modified or new material based on the original work would need moral right permission from the creators estates."

They BELIEVE? They don't know??

And when I asked about Bell Features already being sold to F.E. Howard when Cy Bell supposedly sold the company (for the second time somehow - which was really just a trunk full of leftovers) to the guys at Nelvana, was told:

"I'm not the copyright holder, I just know who is. I'm not sure how it came to be."

But appearently they worked at the archives and knew what they were doing and spent "all this time" looking into it for, "I'm not sure how it came to be."

Hahaha.Cebr1979 (talk) 21:28, October 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I wouldn't expect them to be legal/copyright experts. They were told by the National Archives that they held the rights to reprint the material (is that different than copyright? that could be important), so I doubt they looked much further. And, in Canada, the original creator (Adrian Dingle) would still hold what is termed 'moral rights', then his estate for 50 years after his death.
 * Roygbiv666 (talk) 00:59, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

No, that's not true for a comic book company. If you go to CrimsonCrusaders talk page under the heading, "Hi Guys!" the info is there. Cebr1979 (talk) 01:04, October 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's actually on your own page ;-) If Dingle was just an employee, then the copyright resides with Bell/Hillsborough and therefore doesn't exist anymore. Can he also cede moral rights to the company?
 * Roygbiv666 (talk) 23:34, October 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * So it is indeed! haha! Thanks for that!
 * Moral rights in Canada.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:56, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sorry to keep bugging you on this. My interest has now moved to more practical matters: I started putting together my own "Who's Who/Marvel Handbook" type of entries for my original characters (see Dreadhelm and Grim Reaper for examples), and some updates to public domain ones, including Nelvana. I realized that I had enough to do a Print-On-Demand comic, and want to make sure I don't violate any copyrights.

My concern is that we can take all the data already assembled and highlight different information to come to a different conclusion:

"The Great Canadian Comic Books" was reprinted in Alter Ego 71. In discussing material from Bell Features, the authors note: ''John Ezrin bought what stocks of comics Bell Features still owned. He bought the Bell archives (which is perhaps too dignified a word for the wooden crates in which original comic art, photo negatives, and printing plates were stored). And he bought the rights to reproduce any of the old comic books in later years, in case anyone ever wanted to see them again.'' ''And by the time two young acquaintances of George Henderson’s went to call on Ezrin in late 1970, Ezrin was thinking quite specifically about “finding a good home” for what was left of the Canadian Whites ... So he sold them.''

One could easily pick out these elements: John Ezrin ... bought the rights to reproduce any of the old comic books in later years (i.e. the copyrights, be definition, the right to copy) Then he sold the copyrights to the authors, who, in turn, 'shared' rights with the archives.

What do you think? If Ezrin bought the copyrights, then they transcend the death of the company, and just transfer to Ezrin, then to Corus/Archives.

Frustratingly, I cannot for the life of me find an email address for Corus. Roygbiv666 (talk) 19:00, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Ya, that's already been discussed somewhere. So this guy bought some old crates with comics in them and whatever comics were in those crates he could reproduce. And Nelvana thinks that means they own Bell Features but, they don't because Bell Features was already owned by F.E. Howard. That's it in a nutshell.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:41, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

This may not have any bearing on the rights but apparently the character was based on a real person: http://nelvanacomics.com/history/real-nelvana/ JoeFrankenstein (talk) 18:24, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't have any bearing on the rights.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:44, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * The parsed quote I'm trying to highlight is: "John Ezrin ... bought the rights to reproduce any of the old comic books in later years" (i.e. the copyrights, be definition, the right to copy). Then he sold the copyrights to the authors, who, in turn, 'shared' rights with the archives. That seems a legit interpretation that gibes with the copyright claim.
 * Roygbiv666 (talk) 23:54, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I think you're dwelling and maing this more difficult than it needs to be. He didn't buy anything because at the time he supposedly bought it, the person selling it didn't own it.
 * There's a "contact us" link at the Corus website.Cebr1979 (talk) 05:39, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * got your msg, see my talk page
 * Roygbiv666 (talk) 02:10, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Christmas and such
Thanks for everything and for being so welcoming. I hope you have a happy holiday as well. JoeFrankenstein (talk) 10:59, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

User_talk:Monitor_earthprime
If I were this guy, I'd like to think someone woudl give me the benefit of the doubt on messing up my first edit. Maybe you could rephrase your message a little? Since CrimsonCrusader seems to be MIA, you're like the head honcho for monitoring the site and you've expressed a desire in the past to be a bit more diplomatic - here's your chance. Not trying to bust your chops, just a thought.

Roygbiv666 (talk) 00:04, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

I know, I thought of that but... there really isn't a way to accidentally blank a page. There's just not a way for it to accidentally happen.Cebr1979 (talk) 01:11, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Just curious as to the impending deletion,

http://pdsh.wikia.com/wiki/File:Breakneck0.jpg?s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=43639

Is it because I have all three characters in one photo?

Thanks.

It's because that picture's not being used anywhere.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Our conversation
Hey, Cebr1979, I left a message on my talk page for you. Matt shade (talk) 18:18, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Golden Age Street & Smith
Hey, it's me again. I was looking around and found some more fun characters. Are we sure Chuck Magnon, Astron the Crocodile Queen, Ajax the Sun Man etc. are owned by someone, e.g. Conde Nast (who own the Shadow)? Matt shade (talk) 07:36, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Any of the Street & Smith characters I've ever looked up or asked about were renewed (although I've never looked into this Crocodile Queen and she sounds pretty cool so I'll do that now and get back to you).Cebr1979 (talk) 20:03, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, her first appearance was Doc Savage #5 and it is listed as being renewed.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:19, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for My Absence
Hey Cerb1979 sorry for my absence and thanks for keeping an eye on things. Life got a little busy for awhile, but going to try and start contributing more frequently again so please let me know if there is anything that needs my attention that came up during my absence. Thanks again. Crimsoncrusader (talk) 03:25, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Glad you're back!Cebr1979 (talk) 02:39, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

New message
I am currently attempting to locate the Estate or Copyright holder for the works of George Menendez Rae and Ted Steele. My search led me to Wikia, where they suggested I contact you.

Would you know who is the current holder of the copyrights for the works of these two artists.

Thank you for your time.

Patrick Osborne October 15, 2015 (UTC) ptfr1978@gmail.com 15:56, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, Patrick! I'm afraid I don't have any answers for you. However (and, I hope I'm not just sending you around in circles but...), you should try messaging either Hayabusa449 or Ivan Kocmarek (they may even be the same person, I'm not sure?). If Ivan doesn't know, I would be very, VERY surprised! Good luck to you! Cheers!Cebr1979 (talk) 00:25, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Could you help me?

Thanks Cebr1979. I'm looking at the Canadian Character Nelvana and it seems that she's Public Domain.

D.D.


 * Yes. That's why she has a bio here at the Public Domain Superheroes Wikia.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:54, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing my Blue Steel page. I ran out of time at the library and had to wait an hour to walk to another library to fix it myself. So thank you again.Nick crenshaw (talk) 00:13, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * No prob at all! Cool character!! :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 00:35, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

No Admins
Hi! As you all know, our admins are all AWOL. Now... as you also know... I seem to be the head honcho (at least I act like it anyways...) BUT: (Regardless of being here the longest...) I have no right to that title so... was thinking... what if we created a "council" (or whatever, for lack of a better term): A group of us who operated as an admin (even though we still wouldn't have the powers of one but, at least we could start to work together instead of the way it is)? We could talk and hold votes and etc, etc... What are your thoughts on that?
 * OH! VERY IMPORTANT: Regardless of what we do or do not come up with... Should any of our admins return... this would all be forfeited. They are "the head honchos" whether here or not. This would only be in times where we're admin-less.Cebr1979 (talk) 17:12, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * To get the ball rolling... I think "the council" (seriously, if anyone has a better idea for a name... speak up... Please!!!!) should have no less than 5 members but, no more than 7 (and not an even number like 6 so... I think "the council" should have either 5 or 7 members - haha)... Thoughts?Cebr1979 (talk) 16:47, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like to help to set up such a group. I don't object to the word "council" for purposes of operations, though if I can think of something I will suggest it. As far as your skill, experience, and knowledge here, I think you'd be an excellent candidate to take the head position.


 * KNO2skull (talk) 16:53, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it all sounds good. Council is a fine term, and your experience, expertise, and dedication make you a natural to be Council head, cebr. Should you choose to accept the mission. It's rough not having admins. to present a question to, and knowing someone knowledgable is available to field different issues would be of great value.
 * KNO2skull (talk) 17:19, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * It’s a good idea but how would it function? How would a council make concensus decisions or even decide on membership? (And  a less self‐important name than council might be synod, like the Super Synod of Substitute Administrators of PDSH. 😉) —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 03:11, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * It would function on votes. Majority wins (that's why I don't want an even number). How would membership be decided? Beats me, to be honest. I was just gonna go with who was even interested and hope we could start from there (but a nomination/everyone vote for a certain number of people thing could work - or something else based on suggestions).Cebr1979 (talk) 03:52, March 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * sorry for the late reply- I'm all for a Supreme Court of Superhero Editors... my only question is are there tasks on wikia that only admins can do? JoeFrankenstein (talk) 11:55, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would be more an issue of backing up the one trying to keep things together otherwise it's just one poster's opinion vs the opinion of whatever poster traipses in. Matt shade (talk) 21:42, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Infoboxes
Sorry about that, I'll use the infoboxes from now on. I see they're indeed quite simple :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 02:56, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Sparky Watts
Interesting character.Cebr1979 (talk) 02:18, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Hey buddy, I want to change the image for Superpower.
 * Then you should travel around the whole, wide world getting everyone's permission to change their character's picture. If even one person says no, though... no dice.Cebr1979 (talk) 16:51, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Characters from pulp magazines
Hello, it's me again. I've been looking at the pulp characters of Erle Stanley Gardner (the creator of Perry Mason); The Man in the Silver Mask, Lester Leith, Sidney Zoom etc. I'm still unsure how to check these things properly (copyrights and trademarks etc). I only created the Zero the Silent page because I discovered it was an American publication, not a British one.

For example I looked at Copyright Office Records and only three of the Lester Leith stories pop up in a search, "man in the silver mask" doesn't give us much but search with keywords gives us "Lucha Libre: the man in the silver mask".

There are more characters like that of course, e.g. John Paul Seabrooke's The Hawk (1930). The British publications, like the Black Sapper (1929), also make me pause.

Sorry to be such a pest. Matt shade (talk) 12:57, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

You're not a pest lol - It would depend who owns the stories (which, given the times, was probably the publisher not the author but, we'd still need to know that) and then finding out if the owner is still around (the author obviouly is not but, I don't know who the publisher is/was - if you don't, I can look into it, though). I'm sorta leaning towards theym not still being under copyright (but, like, I said, we'd have to know before adding profiles). Cebr1979 (talk) 21:58, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Erle Stanley Gardner was an American, and his works first published in the US between 1923 and 1963 would need to have been renewed in order to still be copyrighted. Checking for renewals would need to be done on a case by case (issue by issue, story by story) basis.

The British stories are in the public domain if their authors have been dead more than seventy years. (The works of authors who died in 1945 entered the public domain on 1 January 2016.) If a story is published anonymously or pseudonymously, and you’re certain that the issue in question is the story’s very first publication, then it enters the public domain seventy years after publication. (Anonymous and pseudonymous works published in 1945 entered the public domain on 1 January 2016.) As far as I am aware, the publisher cannot be considered the author, although “John Paul Seabrooke” was a house psudonym. If the actual author of a Seabrooke story from before 1946 cannot be determined, I would think it would be in the public domain. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 22:44, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Addendum: I didn’t realize John Paul Seabrooke was from an American publishing company, in which case, the American rules obviously apply. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 22:48, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah! I had assumed the publishing company was British. Thanks for the correction!Cebr1979 (talk) 22:51, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's my fault, I could have clarified that.Matt shade (talk) 14:55, June 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Under the “John Paul Seabrooke” pseudonym there's "The Hawk Strikes" (Street & Smith’s Top-Notch Magazine) written by Paul Chadwick Jun 15 1931 though one source claims the Hawk's debut was short story The Hawk's Double (Top-Notch) Apr 15 1930 but the publication date of the longer version (Apr 15 1932) makes me suspect an error.
 * I'm confused on the Black Sapper's debut date; Jess Nevins states Terry Patrick as creator but he lived 1929-1996 so I would suspect the debut was actually ca 1959 except a few sources claim there was a prose story in the Rover in 1929.
 * I couldn't find any copyright notice on Gardner's The Man in the Silver Mask, Sidney Zoom or the Patent Leather Kid but I could be looking in the wrong places.Matt shade (talk) 14:55, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Definitely a contradiction there regarding Black Sapper. As you pointed out, the character could not have been created by Terry Patrick if it debuted in 1929, but that first appearance seems credible because it’s cited down to a precise issue number: The Rover , no. 384, 24 Aug. 1929. We would really need to have that issue in front of us to be certain (and to see who is credited as author). —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 19:34, June 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Many other Rover issues can be read on-line at Comic Book Plus who "only hold comic books and images that are in the Public Domain" but can we assume that includes all issues of Rover?Matt shade (talk) 08:36, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * The only way any issue of The Rover would be in the public domain is if every writer and every illustrator were to have died before 1946 (not likely, and extremely difficult to determine anyway) or if every story and every illustration is uncredited (and published in that issue for the first time) which may very well be the case. I looked at another issue and nothing was credited, so perhaps Comic Book Plus is going by that criterion. Nevertheless, we should still examine the issue in question (no. 384) to see who is credited, if anyone, for the Black Sapper story. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 22:27, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Would a third possibility be that the seventy year rule only applies to authors having some claim to the work but DC Thomson had secured everything in the Rover but has not renewed those claims? Matt shade (talk) 00:13, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a compilation of the second adventure (1931) and at least one other appearance (issue 0612) but I see no mention of the author. Matt shade (talk) 00:47, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I apologize. I just wanted to organize the various golden age characters. Who got there start by being trained in tibet such as: Phantasmo, Peter Cannon, Green Lama, the Flame, Amazing Man, etc..... I apologize.

About a man in black
Hi! Me again. Sorry about the 'The Hawk' thing.

I noticed the mention on the The Man in Black page and found this on-line pulp issue with The Man In The Black Cloak (The Boys of New York v11 #569, July 10 1886, Francis W. Doughty): "The Man in the Black Coat; or, In Search of the John Street Jewels" 

At least one source says there was an earlier story in The Boys of New York Pocket Library #193 (1884) starring a character with the same moniker called "The Ghouls of Gotham; or, The Man in the Black Cloak". Could be the same character. Also seems there was a reprint of that story in Boys' Star Library #158 (June 21 1890).

So do we make a separate page for this character? All three seem to be written under the same pseudonym, "Paul Braddon". Matt shade (talk) 01:33, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Addendum: Actually no, a few sources say there was also the pseudonym "P. T. Raymond". Well, I'm confused now. Also the "John Street Jewels" story was reprinted in New York Detective Library #362. Matt shade (talk) 02:35, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

I recommend adding the Man in the Black Cloak stories to the Man in Black article as subsequent public‐domain appearances. All were published in The Boys of New York or related titles, so I advise against creating a new page unless someone has read all three stories and can confirm they are indeed separate characters. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 04:31, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I'm trying that! By the way, who can delete the The Hawk (Street & Smith) page? -Matt shade (talk) 14:08, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

I believe only an administrator can delete a page. And why did you change Cloak to Coat, even in the title of the story? Was the character perhaps called the Man in the Black Coat in one of the stories, or is that an error from not proofreading your edits? —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 16:14, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea how the word 'Coat' even got in there! Thanks for the save. Matt shade (talk) 19:30, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Category Talk
I was only making the time period categories easier to profile and navigate. I honestly don't care about the amounts of edits I achieve; it's just a number. LogiTeeka (talk) 05:35, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, great! So... could you give BrokenEye3 a few days to finish his project and then, if anything is missed, you can make them "easier to profile" at that time?Cebr1979 (talk) 05:40, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. LogiTeeka (talk) 05:43, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 05:44, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Huh?
The articles for John Carter, Gullivar Jones, and Lobo state that they fought in the American Civil War. Why did you delete the category? LogiTeeka (talk) 18:46, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * You just said you were gonna wait a few days till BrokenEye finished his project and then you turned around and kept adding stuff.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:04, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

I thought the arrangement was reserved for category articles, since they're more iffy subjects for debate. Plus, he/she hasn't really done much editing today so I figured I'd help along. The information I added is clearly stated in the articles in question so I don't see anything wrong with giving them their proper categories. LogiTeeka (talk) 04:28, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Glammazon
Mr. Celar1979, why are you dogging my footsteps and deleting the entries I put up here at this wiki? If it is because you thini I don't seem to want to add pictures to my entries, you would be sadly mistaken - the reason I don't add any pictures to my entries is that I just plain 'can't. 'There is no printer/scanner linked to my laptop computer Moriarty, and my father will not let me use his own printer/scanner anymore. If it is because I don't follow the proper techniques, well, that is because I have only just started posting at this wiki. Please, please, please stop putting stress on me by deleting my entries and let me contribute to this wiki in peace! Glammazon (talk) 17:45, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I won't stop. You had your chance. You've had multiple chances. If you want to learn the technique, go somewhere and learn it (though, how you don't already know after everything you've been shown is beyond me). You were to fill in the infobox on that terrible Judomaster page and you didn't. If you had done that, I would have worked with you but... you didn't. You're just not worth my time.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:34, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Upon closer inspection,you've actually been editing since 2008 and you were also being told back then that your pages are all wrong so... here we are 8 years later and I really don't understand why I ever even tried working with you in the first place.Cebr1979 (talk) 22:47, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * I did add the textbox, as you suggested, but it keeps reverting back to its original, prealtered state except for the new category I added, "Based on Original Novel."  I haven't been an editor at this wikia since 2008, that entry was something I composed for the original Wikipedia, but that was rolled into the entry for the original FORGOTTEN REALMS comic put out by DC comics.  Now that I have completed the entry for the Shiek, I will be taking a long and quiet break from creating these pages.Glammazon (talk) 15:25, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Good.Cebr1979 (talk) 22:22, July 30, 2016 (UTC)

Lady Laser
I thought that Lady Laser's laser-whip was a sign that she originated from the future. LogiTeeka (talk) 23:52, July 30, 2016 (UTC)

Mechanical Monsters info
The Mechanical Monsters appear in the the Superman comics, so they qualify as DC characters. LogiTeeka (talk) 05:18, August 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Really? Which ones?Cebr1979 (talk) 05:28, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

Aside from appearing in the animated adaptation of "Superman: Doomsday", they also appeared in the New 52 Superman story "What Price Tomorrow?". LogiTeeka (talk) 05:37, August 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay... so... provide confirmation and this type of info can go in the Mechanical Monsters talk page... you don't need to come to my personal talk page every time you have something to say.Cebr1979 (talk) 05:41, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry about that. LogiTeeka (talk) 05:44, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

Ramon Laredo

'''The Ramon Laredo entry isn't going anywhere, Cebr1979, because I believe that this time I did write the entry following the structure demanded by Wikia to the very best of my ability. If you keep deleting my entries, I will be forced to report you to the people actually running this website.Glammazon (talk) 10:01, August 2, 2016 (UTC)'''
 * You can report me to whoever you want to. As I've said (numerous times), I'm not cleaning up after you anymore. I left an infobox for you to just copy & paste and you wouldn't even do that. As someone stated, "You thought the solution to a misspelled name was to create another whole page? Are you kidding?" Please take the break you keep promising you're going on.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:41, August 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't use the infobox you left for me because I figured out how to do the infoboxes using the software itself.  I will indeed take that break, but not until after you stop deleting my Guapota entry.  After leaving here, I wil do you a service by going to the Mexican Copyright Office's website and looking up "Guapota."  If I cannot find the Guapota character listed there, I will return here and write the new text over again.  Is that okay?Glammazon (talk) 20:10, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * The infobox I gave you is the ONLY infobox we use. Stop doing things different. Stop with the CAPSLOCK. You have been told that numerous times by more than just me. Stop creating new pages. You're only making a mess.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:12, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Subcategories
I created an Uranian Characters category (while editing the Bloor page) and intended to make it a subcategory to the Extra-Terrestrial Characters category but the option didn't pop up as expected. Did I do it backwards or is that something only moderators can "open up"? Probably it's right under my nose. Matt shade (talk) 10:03, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been fixed. Not sure why the option wouldn't have popped up? Maybe just a glitch.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:14, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe! Thanks for doing it anyway. Matt shade (talk) 22:26, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * It was actually Elyaqim who fixed it but, I'm sure I can speak for him when I say, "You're welcome!" nonetheless. :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 23:12, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * I authorize Cebr to speak on my behalf in circumstances such as this. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 00:30, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Er, I mean, ‘Yes, you’re quite welcome’. 🙂 —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 00:30, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Cebr1970,

Just wanted to thank you for checking in and improving upon my contributions. I do read and take your notes on how to improve them, and appreciate your mentoring me along. Especially when I've been gone and forget a lot of what I've learned previously! lol

KNO2skull (talk) 14:49, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * No prob at all! Great new characters you're adding!Cebr1979 (talk) 17:28, August 4, 2016 (UTC)

Cosa c'è di sbagliato?
Cosa c'è di sbagliato? I titoli delle pubblicazioni, film, libri e così via sono in corsivo, no?
 * Non in InfoBoxes o elenchi aspetto. E per favore firmare i messaggi. Cebr1979 ( parla ) 00:25, 4 settembre 2016 (UTC)
 * Perchè no? I titoli sono ed i titoli sono in inglese, anche in InfoBoxes e liste aspetto. Così mi è stato istruito quando lavoro in wikies in generale. Pat O&#39;Brien (talk) 00:28, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't speak whatever language you just changed this all to.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:29, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a mixed saving error in translation. I asked: "Why not? Securities are and the titles are in English, even in infoboxes and appearance lists. So I was instructed when I work in wikie in general."Pat O&#39;Brien (talk) 00:32, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, have a look around and you'll see that here we don't. There is no such thing as "wikis in general," each one is different with their own ways of doing things.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:34, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * At least you can give me an explanation why it can not go on this wiki? Frankly, I do not think anything so problematic.Pat O&#39;Brien (talk) 00:37, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * I did give you an explanation: That's not how we do things here.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:39, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was wrong in not asking. However, for the future we can consider the idea of admitting the use of italics and so on publication titles in future discussions?
 * No, not in infoboxes and appearance lists. That's not how we do things here.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:44, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Then where? Anyway, I apologize again if I had not noticed before spuntavi as a list.
 * In the origin and notes section. Where we already do it and always have been. (and sign your posts)Cebr1979 (talk) 00:51, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I forget in a hurry to write.Pat O&#39;Brien (talk) 00:54, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Adoption
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 * Check out Wiki Features to see which features you can enable (or disable) on your wiki, including chat, forum, and many more. If you have adopted an older community with talk pages you can also enable message walls and article comments here.
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 * Lastly, visit our help pages to learn the ins and outs of using Wikia, including tips for managing your community, how to attract contributors, and how to add other admins.

Check out your Admin Dashboard, which can by found by clicking "Admin" on the bottom toolbar -- it has links to all your new tools. Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck with your new (old) wiki! -- Wendy (talk ) 02:55, September 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I am very excited for the new position! :-DCebr1979 (talk) 02:56, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Need support
Hi Cebr1979,

First of all a Huge well done for your wikia page.

May I just ask you a simple question, the pictures you upload are free to use even for commercial purposes?

I skimmed through your page and there were some concerns but I didn't really read all the msgs. If you could kindly answer my question, I would highly appreciate it :)

I am from Malta, Europe.

Thanks

Caruanam (talk) 21:21, September 9, 2016 (UTC)caruanam


 * Hi, there! Uhm... for the most part and by general rule of thumb, pics on here should be free to use even for commercial purposes, yes. There are some that I know of that are exceptions to this, though. Which ones are you curious about and I can let you know. You can just leave a message in the article's talk page specifying which image(s) you're interested in. Cebr1979 (talk) 21:26, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming it wasn't that important?Cebr1979 (talk) 07:12, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Torgo
Sorry about messaging you here. For some odd reason, I can't log in to reply to your comment on the Torgo page.

Anyway, the reason why I labeled Togo as an occult character was because of his association with his Master's cult of Manos. LogiTeeka (talk) 03:55, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

You're doing a fantastic job as Admin! It seems you've received some abiities. Just stopping by to let you know. Thank you.

KNO2skull (talk) 14:01, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, K2S, and thanks for all the new pages you're adding!Cebr1979 (talk) 07:52, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Sreenshot
Cebr1979 (talk) 09:46, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Hello! I wanted to thank you for what appears to be tireless effort in maintaining this site.

My question pertains to the missing "The Beyond" section. Will this return? I am working on a comicbook using many public domain characters. While I find your site extremely beneficial to this comic, I am disheartened at the disappearance of "The Beyond" as sections of my story take place within The Beyond. Also, I was wondering where the original pic went for the Unholy Three, as the newest pic does not have these characters. Thank you foe your time!

18:03, November 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there! The "Beyond" page will not be returning. Locations (and vehicles/items) are (no pun intended) beyond the scope of this wiki. The file history for the Unholy Three can be seen here.Cebr1979 (talk) 18:36, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Character Descriptions vs. Story Synopsis
Sorry if this is not the arena to bring this up but I was unsure where to bring this up. If there's something in particular to discuss this, please let me know.

I appreciate the work that goes into these wikias. I work with medium datasets and understand the time and effort involved. My question concerns if these are character description pages or merely character placeholders within the story they appeared in. On many occasions I've had to go to the comics themselves to search for specific information about the characters. I've noticed on older pages there was always section that talked about what they did, abilities they had, knowledge attributed to them, etc. Having the story synopsis is great as it puts things into perspective, but it usually doesn't tell me anything about unique about the individual characters.

Again, great job. It's made my life easier for the project I've embarked on. I hope I signed this correctly. First time editing. For reference, I am user Forbush. (Forbush (talk) 01:15, November 15, 2016 (UTC))
 * Hi, Forbush! Welcome and thank you for bringing this up! This is a concern I have that I just haven't been able to put into words yet. You are correct, bios should be character descriptions and NOT story synopsises (synopsii?)! There are other things that need to be cleaned up first but, that is something I have in my head to fix. Thanks and welcome again!Cebr1979 (talk) 04:47, November 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Since I brought the subject up, there is something I can do to assist in fixing any pages that need those additions. In-between the database management and art for my project I could add those sections to characters I find without them giving the page an overview section of their skills, abilities, etc. I will take no action until I get a yea/nay from you. And the plural of synopsis is synopses. Forbush (talk) 13:28, November 15, 2016 (UTC)|
 * That'd be fantastic and thank you!Cebr1979 (talk) 14:52, November 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * I have been considering how I am creating pages myself. In giving a (detailed) story synopsis, I have of late attempted to include details of their entire first appearance, and including additional details about the specific characters in subsequent stories. I do put a lot of effort into the descriptions. I also feel the character is revealed in the slight details of their surroundings. I'm not sure how this would play out with my contributions, although I hope that the pages give an adequate description of the character.
 * KNO2skull (talk) 16:43, November 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Appreciate the added effort as I do not have the time to do that. I mostly plan to add those additional details to characters that I find upon reading. Mine will be additions onto already created pages mostly to help denote one character from another in those first appearances. I then peruse the pages of their other appearances (if I have them) and pull out anything else I can find in the way of skills, abilities, or whatever. With a cooperative effort such as this, it will make this wikia better than ever. Forbush (talk) 20:09, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Emphasis Style
Before I continue on the path I'm on, I've been changing the style of emphasis from quote mark enclosures to italics. This is the style I've done for the past 15 years in my technical writing and it's what I automatically correct when I see it. Then I realized I should check with you before I proceed on this path. It's how all the technical manuals I've done were formatted but that doesn't mean that it can't be different here. Again, it's better to ask questions now than find out later I was doing it wrong. Forbush (talk) 23:05, November 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you link to a specific example?Cebr1979 (talk) 06:17, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * On Dynamo (Tower) I removed the quote marks then italized the words that were in quotes. It's a standard formatting practice in tech writing. The other emphasis style would be bolding. Quote marks are usually reserved for things said or items that are a subset of something else (i.e., "episodes" of a TV show.) As I said, you're the admin so you call the shots. Tell me how you want things formatted. Forbush (talk) 16:15, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * In that example, the quotation marks were not being used for emphasis but to quote the original text and thus indicate that the story’s author was the one who had come up with the unusual name for the technology, so removing them was inappropriate. And italicizing the words serves no function as there is no need for emphasis, especially after placing the object in its own section. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 18:45, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, I see you’ve damaged multiple articles by removing quotation marks even from what are very clearly quotes due to incorrectly believing they had been placed there for emphasis. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 19:16, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I’m not an administrator, but I feel you should go back and restore the quotation marks to all the articles from which you removed them. They were used to quote the original text, not for emphasis. I restored a few but I do not have the time to work on such extensive damage to multiple articles. —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 19:28, November 18, 2016 (UTC
 * Ya, I'd like them put back as well. That's not how we do things here and if everyone started doing this thing and that thing differently, could you imagine the mess we'd have in mere days? Quotes go in quotation marks.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:45, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Have the rest of these been put back? I don't have time now to check...Cebr1979 (talk) 11:13, November 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * On another subject, I found I had trouble creating a category page. I wanted to use a previous Category page as a template but all I got was a blank page. I'd rather use an already done page as a template so I maintain the same format. I have in my dataset many medical doctors and nurses (among other categories that might be useful.) How should I proceed when I find these types of categories in my dataset? Should I send you a request to create this page? Forbush (talk) 16:22, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't want separate categories for different types of doctors and different types of nurses. We don't have enough of each to warrant that.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:48, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I have them as one list, Doctors and Nurses. Forbush (talk) 20:25, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * We have those already: Medical Characters and Nurses.Cebr1979 (talk) 21:16, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I had looked for a medical character page previously. Didn't think to look for it under the Scientist category. My apologies. Forbush (talk) 22:06, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you again for giving me another chance. I LOVE this site!!! Again, I'm sorry I was rude. I'm new to all of this, but find the work and dedication from this site to be amazing!! I hope we can be friends. I suck for starting out on the wrong foot, my bad.DrObscure420 (talk) 04:28, November 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Water under the bridge, I'm not always the greatest at first impressions myself. Welcome back. :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 04:32, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Note to Self
For another day when more time.Cebr1979 (talk) 10:07, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Standard?
Would you mind telling me what the standards are? LogiTeeka (talk) 19:45, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you telling me you can't see the difference between the page you created and literally every single other page here?Cebr1979 (talk) 19:47, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * And how many times do you need to be told to STOP running here every time you have something to say. Talk in the talk page where the conversation is. Next time you do that, I'll block you for twenty four hours.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:48, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

For some reason, the talk page wouldn't allow me to log in and post. LogiTeeka (talk) 19:49, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would. You use that phoney excuse every time but, it doesn't work that way. Nobody needs to log in to talk pages. If you can post on my talk page, you can post in an article talk page. They're the same thing.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:51, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

It's not my fault that my computer is clunky. It wouldn't allow me to log in until I left the page, and even then, it wouldn't allow me to post on it for a while. LogiTeeka (talk) 19:54, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Your computer has nothing to do with logging in to a website.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:57, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

Than I don't have any idea what happened. I saw the login popup box come up blank and then it just disappeared. I tried refreshing the page and clicking the icon, and it kept on doing the same thing. When I left the page, it started working again, but it wouldn't allow me to post on that particular page. LogiTeeka (talk) 20:04, December 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh huh.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:08, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

Is the infobox being revamped? I saw it was deleted, and it doesn't work right now. Thank you.

KNO2skull (talk) 21:38, December 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know what's going on. I've sent a few messages and hopefully will hear back soon. For now, just continue like normal, I guess? I'll let you know once I do.Cebr1979 (talk) 01:08, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems  to be back now. Thanks!
 * KNO2skull (talk) 17:50, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * The info‐box was missing on the Santa Claus article but was miraculously restored after I did some editing (without touching the info‐box), so that may be all that’s necessary for other articles (but maybe it was just a Christmas miracle). —ElyaqimNYC (talk) 19:43, December 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's how I fixed the Louise Stahlbaum page too. Hopefully the others fix themselves soon and not every affected page will need to be done one at a time.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:52, December 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's working now, I guess. Glad that Santa fixed it for everybody! :')
 * KNO2skull (talk) 15:31, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I am still finding some here and there that are messed up but, clicking edit and then right away clicking publish without actually editing anything, fixes it!Cebr1979 (talk) 23:51, December 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * (insert redfaced emoji here)I now know this is all my fault, by the way... I thought I had stumbled upon some old template created by ---you know... that guy who used to create faulty infobox templates--- so I deleted it but, it was actually the right template and I got trigger happy without checking... Oops. Sorry, all!Cebr1979 (talk) 23:56, December 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the Jenny Everywhere page needs to be fixed in case anyone wants to give my method a test. If not, I'll fix it tomorrow.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:32, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

What happened to all the public domain countries and other locations?Nick crenshaw (talk) 05:06, December 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * I deleted them weeks ago. This is for PD characters, not places. They don't fit the scope of this wiki and nobody was looking after those pages. Most were a complete disaster.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:57, December 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Do you still have any of the info on these fictional locations.Nick crenshaw (talk) 15:28, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Which ones are you interested in? Gimme a list 'cause I'll only do this once.Cebr1979 (talk) 15:30, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Just email them all to me at nick_crenshaw@yahoo.comNick crenshaw (talk) 05:57, December 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * No. hahaha. That would involve at least three hours of my time and... no. I would've given you up to 5 but... you ever heard of "please?" Whichever ones you want you can go read the comics and voila! Best of luck to ya!Cebr1979 (talk) 06:05, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Your right, I should have said please, I'm sorry. Also I was only asking for the fictional countries, states, and/or cities not the whole wikia. If I do need to specify specific one then the ones in Africa and maybe Europe please. On a side note, why are your replies indented and how do I do that?Nick crenshaw (talk) 06:12, December 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * (to indent you start with a colon) Dude, you don't understand how much work this is. No! I am not going through every page to find out which ones are in Africa or Asia or wherever. If you don't know the specific name of the fictional country you need (ie: Atlantis or whatever), you clearly don't need them that bad. Google "public domain fictional African countries" and have yourself a ball! Tootle-oo!Cebr1979 (talk) 07:16, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I just noted your edits to the "Jill Trent, Science Sleuth" page updating her to orphan/"use at own risk" status. I'm currently self-publishing a Jill Trent series and would like to ask you a few more questions about whatever info led to this change. Please e-mail me at superdames.comics(at)gmail.com. Thanks!

"Jill Trent, Science Sleuth" edits
Hi, sorry if this is a repeat message but it wasn't clear if the first one went through. I self-publish a "Jill Trent, Science Sleuth" series and would like to ask you about your recent edits to her page. Please contact me at superdames.comics(at)gmail.com. Thanks! Dmhiggins (talk) 13:56, January 6, 2017 (UTC)dmhiggins
 * Hi! I don't do e-mails but, the notes section at the Jill Trent page explains everything (with clickable links). Cheers!Cebr1979 (talk) 13:58, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Open Source Superheroes
OK then, let's try to work together, Cebr. I believe you've had a few minor issues with open source users on PDSH over the past year or so. I suggest that we steer them out to OSSH and give them a little more latitude in formatting their content. With any luck, it might defuse potential editing conflicts in the future.

>I'll even put all your pages back to the way you had them so you don't have to spend your time on it again.

That's OK, I'll take care of it. As you've probably noticed, I'm making ongoing changes to certain pages, which will require my personal attention.

>If you'd like to have this wiki as well, that's up to you.

I was thinking that OSSH would be the "G-Rated" wiki, while OSC could be kept for more adult-oriented subject matter.

Anyway, thanks very much for your understanding, Cebr. I owe you a favor, so if you ever need help with anything on PDSH, just let me know and I'll do whatever I can.

Cheers, SimonKirby (talk) 01:17, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * I did start putting some of your stuff back to the way you had it and (if you want to finish, okay, but... whatever's not done tomorrow when I'm online...) will finish later.


 * Otherwise: let's just get along.


 * ...Or... at the very least... continue hating each other without fighting.


 * Deal? :-)Cebr1979 (talk) 01:23, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

If you're still willing could you email me the article for Lakossas at nick_crenshaw@yahoo.com. Thank you.Nick crenshaw (talk) 03:53, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

Went away for a few months to finish the comic book based on information gathered here. When I returned I found more edits for open-source material that I expected.

I know the title says "public domain" but the bulk of these new additions seems like characters people create with the sole purpose to get them posted in this wikia.

I fell there should be some dividing line between public domain and open-source even to the end of giving the open-source characters that seem to have been specifically created to be here their own, private section or even their own wikia.

Use or ignore this suggestion as you see fit.

Forbush (talk) 22:10, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * This comes up about once or twice a year and nobody has ever given me a reason to get rid of the open source characters other than "I don't like them so there na na na poo poo." The ninth page ever created on this wiki was an open source character because open source characters have been here since the beginning (aka: longer than you). If you don't want to see them, don't look at them or go to your own wiki. They are here to stay. The end.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:55, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

Galleries
Hi there! Just curious to know, is there something like a minimum number of images that justify the creation of a gallery? Because I noticed some characters have galleries on their pages. Thanks in advance :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 13:19, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's because everyone has started doing things their own way lately and that's ending. This place is a mess.Cebr1979 (talk) 20:25, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * I see, but, hope you don't mind me asking, what's so bad about galleries anyway? I find it really interesting to show how different illustrators have portrayed a character -- BlueFrackle (talk) 20:28, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * As do I. That's why all three pictures are still there. Having a separate gallery is just one more section chopping up an article. Instead of a gallery with a photo saying, "So and so using their powers," (and I know that's not what you did, I'm just coming up with a hypothetical here) the photo could just be in the "Powers and Abilities" section (where it would actually be relevant) without any caption needed. I mean... How many photos do we need of the same kid standing around in different poses wearing the same clothes? "No Gallerys" is one of the "clean-up projects" I have on my list that I just haven't gotten to yet.Cebr1979 (talk) 22:18, January 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * (...and I never mind someone asking questions!) ;-) Cebr1979 (talk) 00:52, February 1, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I only worry about some cases, for instance, a character like Caliban, who's been illustrated in wildly different ways, so, it's very cool that we can show all the different interpretations of him. However, the current page is too small to fit all the images in the current layout without a gallery. I can envision a possible solution for him, if we create a slideshow gallery. Not sure if you like them, not even sure if you're familiar with them (I'll make one here just in case). But right now it's the only idea that occurs to me. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 12:44, February 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Another user used to do slideshows all the time and they seriously screw things up for people viewing/editing from a mobile device. I guess if the page is too small... Okay. Do a gallery... with the understanding that, if the page eventually gets bigger, the gallery will be moved like I did with the Thumbelina page. Slideshow galleries? Just a flat out no! Fair enough?Cebr1979 (talk) 16:06, February 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me :) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 11:21, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Babar the Elephant
Hi there Cebr! I was wondering if you could help me with something. I wanted to know whether Babar would be considered a PD character. His books were written by Jean de Brunhoff, who passed away in 1937, so, according to French copyright terms of life plus 70 years, the books should be PD. Thing is, the character of Babar was actually created by Jean's wife, Cécile, who passed away in 2003 (yes, she was very old, lol). Apparently, Cécile would tell stories about Babar to their children, and that's what inspired Jean to write the book. He was even going to list her as a co-author, but she declined. So, back to Babar's status, I have no idea how that works. Does the law consider him a character created by Jean or by Cécile? Would it be appropriate to have a Babar page here and explain it in the notes section (and didn't this place use to have a category for risky or disputed characters, I can't find it now)? Or should we rather not have a page for him at all? -- BlueFrackle (talk) 01:59, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Legally, the creator would be Jean as simply telling stories to kids doesn't qualify as a copyright (but mentioning something in the notes section is still a good idea).Cebr1979 (talk) 02:03, February 9, 2017 (UTC)

In Top-Notch Comics Vol 1 #26 the Wizard (MLJ) did confront and stop the Jingler (MLJ). On a recent edit you said that they never met. DeCastilane
 * Wow! Thanks! You know there's a Jingler and a Wizard page, right? Correcting those would be awesome instead of coming to my talk page where the info you've provided is nothing but useless.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:52, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

hey I have a question. I tried uploaded a Open source character but it got deleted. I wonder why as I am new here and have many characters that I want to make open source but need help with. Did I do something wrong? just wanna know..

Mugen Calibur (talk) 19:24, February 24, 2017 (UTC)Mugen
 * I left a message on your talk page.Cebr1979 (talk) 19:28, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Some info about the PD, and a question
Apparently, from what I found out, Rotwang and Hel from Metropolis are NOT in the Public Domain, thanks to the garbage Golan v Holder case making it so that international works fallen into PD have their copyrights restored in the US. Which fills me with a seething rage. In other bad news the fact that apparently despite their common  usage as if they weren't, the Nedor characters were actually renewed, so they ain't PD

Though, the law also states in general that if it was PD before the Bono act in another country and never exported to the US it is also PD. So, given the shorter copyright terms back then (And since their courts ruled against retroactive copyright term extention), anything from Japan not imported before 1998, from 1947 and earlier, would be public domain in the US. Most likely this would include Golden Bat, but also Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors. So that's at least good.

Also, it appears as if there are a few of my OSOCs posted, along with a few actually-good-ones that weren't on the Open Source Characters wiki. Why is that? Was it before the "must be posted on the OSC Wiki to be approved" thing, was that a recent rule? Just curious, though I do say that looking on there Sasha Ackermann and Dai-Man would be perfect to give pages on our wiki, given the art for 'em looks pretty alright, and the concept is sound even if the politics of their bios seem... dicey. Tbok1992 (talk) 03:12, March 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, there. Yes, Rotwang is something I've been aware of for years. If you check his talk page, the info is there. The Nedor characters I'm also aware of and if you check the notes section on their pages, that info is there. It doesn't really matter when I made the OS rule, I made it and it's here now.Cebr1979 (talk) 16:43, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Vote needed
I have no objection to any character on the list being included here on PDSH. Cheers, SimonKirby (talk) 04:57, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

Gabrielle Suzanne de Villeneuve
I tried to trace back your claim that Beauty and the Beast originated over 4000 years ago, and, if I'm not mistaken, it seems that you got it from here. Fair enough, it is an interesting study. But still, every source I've come across claims that this tale originated as a novel written by Gabrielle de Villeneuve in 1740, and every subsequent version was spawned primarily from it. The fact that similar stories have been told for at least four millennia is very cool, but it doesn't change the authorship. It seems this is like saying that Superman originated thousand of years ago because Heracles. Or that Star Wars is a very ancient thing because Hero's Journey. Sorry if I'm being rude, I know this is your wiki and your way to do things, I just don't think that's right in this particular case. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 01:49, May 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * As for Jafar, sorry about that. It's just that in every version I've ever read, he never had that name, he's only ever known as "the vizier" or something. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 01:55, May 10, 2017 (UTC)